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Emerging church leader Brian Mclaren on Lambeth, mission and reconciliation

One of the foremost figures of the emerging church, US evangelist Brian Mclaren, was at the Anglican Communion's once-in-a-decade Lambeth Conference this week to encourage the 650 bishops attending and offer his insights into where worldwide Christianity stands right now. We caught up with him to hear more about what impression Lambeth left on him and his vision of Christianity in today's ever changing world.

Posted: Saturday, July 26, 2008, 20:59 (BST)
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But if we actually seek to practice Christ-like virtues at every single turn, I think we'll find a way forward. It may take a while - but patience is one of the virtues in question! But if we focus less on removing the splinters of error in others' eyes and more on our own planks of virtue-deficit, God can make a way where there was no way.

Third, mission. I've noticed that conflicts increase when we forget the main reason we're here. Idle hands - and minds and mouths - can find a lot to fight about when they aren't primarily focused on the mission Christ gave his disciples, a mission which many of us understand to be the call to make disciples, meaning people who actually live in the way of Jesus. Considering all the crises and catastrophes we face in today's world, I think we'd all agree we could use a lot more Christ-like people ... and the only organisation dedicated to recruiting people into a life-long journey of Christ-like living is the church. So that's what I hope we can all feel called towards, whatever our denominational heritage, and whatever labels we prefer - liberal, conservative, whatever.


CT: Do you find it ironic that you are here and some 250 Anglican bishops are not?

BM: No. The Anglican bishops who chose not to come did so for reasons that make sense to them, and I accepted the invitation to come for reasons that make sense to me.


CT: The sexuality issue is a big one and you advised bishops to be sensitive to different cultural settings. Does that mean we should shape the Bible around the surrounding culture?

BM: This question raises a host of assumptions and deeper questions that too few people are willing to grapple with. Because the fact is, what we're talking about isn't simply the Bible but our interpretations of the Bible. It's not just what the Bible says, but how we understand, interpret, and apply what the Bible says. In the Bible, for example, God commanded polygamy in certain situations in the Old Testament. And God also commanded stoning in certain situations. Nobody I know of wants to apply those passages literally today.

The question of which passages to apply to a certain situation, and how literally to apply them, is a question of interpretation, and interpretation is not simply a science or technique, like solving a math equation. There are many layers of skill in Biblical interpretation. In surgery, one needs to know biology, pathology, neurology, cardiology, and so on, and beyond that, one needs skills like cutting, suturing, cauterising, monitoring vital signs, and much, much more.

Similarly, in Biblical interpretation, one needs - among many other things, literary knowledge and skills, language and translation knowledge and skills, cultural analysis knowledge and skills, and very quickly, pastoral and peace-making knowledge and skills too - because even the best experts will frequently disagree!


CT: On a global level, how can the whole body of Christ effectively keep up with what you termed the "hurricane of change" in the world today in the face of so many conflicts and divisions?

BM: First, I'd say we need to realise that conflicts and divisions are only one dimension of our challenge in the aftermath of profound cultural change. Another great danger is marginalisation - where we only understand and speak to a smaller and smaller segment of the population. Another great danger - opposite in some ways to marginalisation - is over-accommodation, where we become too embedded with a majority culture or civilisation.

To me, the great inspiration in change is to focus on Jesus, who incarnated the Word in a way that was at once culturally relevant and counter-culturally potent. Jesus showed up right on time, and addressed the critical issues of his day in ways that were also historically transcendent and universally applicable.



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Added: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 5:21 (BST)

"I think our future is more about the Christian way of life than it is about a rigid and polemicized systems of belief." This quote leads me to ask, "What kind of life does one end up without a firm system of belief?" People act the way the do because of what they truly believe.

Adam, PA, USA

Added: Friday, August 8, 2008, 20:26 (BST)

Brian McClaren is so far out in left field in theology that it is not even funny. Yeah...let's interpret what we want from Scripture and twist the rest. That's how we end up with gay pastors, women pastors, and churches filled with people who don't know anything about the Bible. How can Christians come together with denominations that believe we must work our way into Heaven? They should change the name from Lambeth to Babel.

Tom, Sykesville, MD

Added: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 9:38 (BST)

Thank you for the encouragement , wisdom and hope that reading this interview gave me for the future of the Church.

Rev Rosemary Carey, Hamilton, New Zealand

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